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Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2023 (2)[edit]
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get rid of mp by his name and hon friba — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vauxhallinsig (talk • contribs)
- No, because he is still an MP. See the two discussions of this above. Grachester (talk)
Turned away[edit]
On 2 May Johnson was turned away from his local polling station, for the 2024 United Kingdom local elections, after forgetting his required photo ID. This has been very widely reported: AP, Sky, BBC, The Independent, Reuters, The Guardian, ITVX, etc., etc. I'm surprised this is not mentioned, especially considering which Prime Minister was responsible for the relevant legislation. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why didn't you just add it? As long as you keep it accurate, neutral, in-context, and policy compliant, unlike yesterday's inaccurate, one-sided, and context-free attempt. The Guardian can help further, it has a more up-to-date article about it today, covering Johnson's own coverage of the event from his Daily Mail column too. We could possibly create a whole section about it, if not even a new article? -- DeFacto (talk). 14:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's particularly noteworthy personally. This article is already too long to begin with, and I'm not convinced it passes the WP:10YEARTEST. Michaeldble (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can't quite decide if it's just a publicity stunt or if he really is that stupid: "
... I appeared in the polling station with nothing to prove my identity except the sleeve of my copy of Prospect magazine, on which my name and address had been printed...
" Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)- Or just another example of his renowned absent-mindedness? -- DeFacto (talk). 09:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah yes. Inventing rules that others should follow. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- As entertaining as it is, this really doesn't seem notable enough for this page. It's already ridiculously bloated to begin with Michaeldble (talk) 20:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- So it could be trimmed. Ridiculously trimmed, even. I'd suggest it's far more relevant here than at 2024 United Kingdom local elections. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I meant the article was too bloated btw. I was going to suggest moving it to the local elections & Elections Act 2022 articles possibly Michaeldble (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that might be
even funniermore relevant. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC) - I don't think it would be due or relevant in either the 2024 United Kingdom local elections or the local elections & Elections Act 2022 articles. It's more to do with Johnson's character than election law. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Tend to agree. Although yes, he probably deserves a mention at Zip line. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I meant that it could be included in those articles with the angle of there being difficulties in implementing the new legislation with this as an example. I just don't think we should have it here - we don't need to include everything that's mentioned about him in reliable sources, he's probably the most high profile British politician of the last 10 years. Michaeldble (talk) 21:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- This wasn't an example of difficulties implementing the legislation though, this was an example of how well it worked, with even when a well-known character having to go home to get his ID after he had forgotten to bring it. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- But it is an example of Johnson forgetting about rules he himself introduced in government? That's partly why it's received so much media coverage. Unless, perhaps, he just wanted to publicly demonstrate how well the legislation works. Although that might be uncharitable. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- This wasn't an example of difficulties implementing the legislation though, this was an example of how well it worked, with even when a well-known character having to go home to get his ID after he had forgotten to bring it. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I meant that it could be included in those articles with the angle of there being difficulties in implementing the new legislation with this as an example. I just don't think we should have it here - we don't need to include everything that's mentioned about him in reliable sources, he's probably the most high profile British politician of the last 10 years. Michaeldble (talk) 21:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Tend to agree. Although yes, he probably deserves a mention at Zip line. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that might be
- I meant the article was too bloated btw. I was going to suggest moving it to the local elections & Elections Act 2022 articles possibly Michaeldble (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- So it could be trimmed. Ridiculously trimmed, even. I'd suggest it's far more relevant here than at 2024 United Kingdom local elections. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- As entertaining as it is, this really doesn't seem notable enough for this page. It's already ridiculously bloated to begin with Michaeldble (talk) 20:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah yes. Inventing rules that others should follow. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Or just another example of his renowned absent-mindedness? -- DeFacto (talk). 09:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can't quite decide if it's just a publicity stunt or if he really is that stupid: "
- I don't think it's particularly noteworthy personally. This article is already too long to begin with, and I'm not convinced it passes the WP:10YEARTEST. Michaeldble (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Move it to 2024_United_Kingdom_local_elections? Uwappa (talk) 20:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Or let DeFacto create his stand-alone article? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ha ha, yes, go for it! How about a light hearted page called Boris Bloopers or BoJo fun facts, which includes other funny moments such as the dangling on a zip wire? Uwappa (talk) 20:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I won't be creating an article on it. I don't mind it being in this article so long as the context is all kept intact. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- And let's all not forget Peppa Pig World... Martinevans123 (talk) 20:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC) truly amazing
- How about a new subchapter in Public_image_of_Boris_Johnson#Political_image? Uwappa (talk) 07:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps it's becoming obvious that we may need to make allowances for someone who is now getting even more befuddled and forgetful in his later years? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that might be a possibility. Although this was something really "outside" politics? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Or let DeFacto create his stand-alone article? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Can we settle this one? At time of writing, the article simply states that Johnson was turned away from voting. In my opinion, this fact on its own is not especially notable. However, the important and notable fact is that Johnson himself introduced the Elections Act, and he then appeared to be unaware of its provisions on this occasion and tried to circumvent them. So, either the entire statement should be removed, or the information about the Act should be restored. Opinions? Masato.harada (talk) 08:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- On wonders why he would mention or present his copy of Prospect magazine. Because he had forgotten it was useless? Because he wanted to test the system? As one of his funny bumbling jokes, so he'd make the headlines? For some other reason(s)? Maybe he thought he had his passport with him, but just discovered he'd mistakenly left it at home. It's hard to know, isn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fine. So should the incident be in or out? ~~~ Masato.harada (talk) 08:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think it should be in. As it was very widely reported in the news. That's why I added it. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fine. So should the incident be in or out? ~~~ Masato.harada (talk) 08:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- This episode is unlikely to have enduring significance and should be excluded. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd agree that "
Editors writing today do not have a historical perspective on today's events...
" We all are those, aren't we. Relative and enduring significance will depend on how long he lives and what he does next. As he's no longer an MP, his political career seems to be on a diminishing path. But who knows. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd agree that "
There's been a lot of chat on this topic, but not many specific opinions on my request to settle it. Therefore, I am going to restore the clause about the Elections Act, which was introduced by Johnson himself. This is the notability of the incident. Masato.harada (talk) 09:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2024[edit]
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adding the "commonly known as Boris the Betrayer" after the first line "Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (born 19 June 1964)" i.e. the opening statement should be:
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (born 19 June 1964), commonly known as Boris the Betrayer ...
This addition is based on https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-fish-idUSKBN29415G/
which has already been cited as a source. 209.93.249.248 (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
{{Edit semi-protected}}
template. M.Bitton (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not done per WP:UNDUE. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Categories missing from this article[edit]
Having committed a criminal offence
the subject of this article qualifies for category inclusion in -
Category:British_politicians_convicted_of_crimes
Category:Category:English_politicians_convicted_of_crimes 88.97.236.184 (talk) 13:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: In law there is a distinction between committing an offence and being convicted of an offence. Article subject was determined by the filth to have committed an offence. This does not mean that he is convicted of an offence. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nah - nice try, but: "Category:British politicians convicted of crimes says: ...."This category records crimes that are important to British politicians notability, which will in general be serious crimes. Normally summary offences, usually dealt with in magistrates' courts or similar, will not result in an entry here." Johnbod (talk) 13:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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