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The first cafe serving Turkish Coffee was opened in Vienna by the Polish nobleman and dyplomat Jerzy Franciszek Kulczycki. He was considered a hero by Austrians for his actions during the Siege of Vienna. In his cafe he used coffee beans left behind by retreating Turkish army. It was the Polish King Jan III Sobieski who defeated Turks and liberated Vienna. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.132.151 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Whatever be the status of Pakistan Journal of Nutrition, it is a valid citation for this particular purpose. It is cited to show, not that Turkish coffee originated in Damascus, but that its authors have claimed it did. This is distinctly stated in the text of the article. Ttocserp08:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Predatory journals are certainly a serious concern; on that we can agree. However, the Küçükkömürler and Özgen paper was published in 2009; at that time the Pakistan Journal of Nutrition was included in Scopus, and was not in Beall's list. That it was a "non-serious venue" then, has not been established. In what forum?
As for WP:UNDUE, this is not a fringe theory but a highly plausible claim, since the Middle East coffeehouse originated in Damascus and was brought to Istanbul by Syrians. I shall add a citation to that effect. Ttocserp11:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PJN was not in Beall's list at the time because Beall's list did not exist in 2009. It's publisher ANSINET/Asian Network for Scientific Information, is listed in Beall. This is not a reliable source, and we should not repeat those claims in Wikipedia voice. Headbomb {t · c · p · b}10:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not a huge fan of the german language Wikipedia but in this particular case, this page is better there in that it doesn’t declare the coffee in question as Turkish. The article in the german language entry is simply called Mokka and states, correctly, that this type of coffee is made in Greece, Turkey, some Arab countries etc. There is in fact not the slightest reason to assume that it was invented by the Turkish. It’s more likely from the Middle East / Arabia in origin but no one really knows. To call it Turkish, then, is ahistorical and, frankly, a bit ridicoulus, given, that of all the peoples mentioned, the Turks have by far the shortest history of even being in the geographical region. I suggest therefore that the article be changed in name and content to reflect that it is a Middle East / Greek / Turkish beverage that is actually subtly different in each region (the greek variety for example is ground finer and thus becomes frothier when cooked). Nubero (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
