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Wikiproject

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This article is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Taiwanese counties.

Map?

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Would someone please include a map of the islands?24.215.253.143 13:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Political Development of the Pescadores

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It is clear from this memo that prior to the Korean War, the US accepted Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan.

But the fighting that broke out in the Korean peninsula in June 1950 changed the US attitude.

Seeing Taiwan's value as an 'unsinkable aircraft carrier', a famous characterisation by General Douglas MacArthur, the US began to say that 'the status of Taiwan was undetermined'.

To give legal basis to this claim, the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty with Japan merely committed the latter to surrendering Taiwan but did not specify to whom the island was to be returned.

This amounted to a repudiation of US treaty obligation as spelt out in the Cairo and Potsdam instruments.

Despite this deliberate attempt to deny Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan, former US President Richard Nixon pledged to China in no uncertain terms:

'Principle One: There is one China, and Taiwan is part of China.

'There will be no more statements made to the effect that the status of Taiwan is undetermined.'

This declaration is there in the declassified documents of his historic trip to Beijing in 1972.

However, American words were not matched by deeds.

Despite the Nixon pledge, the 1979 Joint Communique establishing formal diplomatic relations was crafted in a way to give the US room for backpedalling.

In that document, the US said that 'it acknowledges the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is a part of China'.

The US Congress later elaborated on this in the Taiwan Enabling Act Report, March 1, 1979.

It said that 'the Administration acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan is part of China, but the US has not itself agreed to this position'.

Thus, from the Chinese point of view, the USCC report calling for an end to the 'one-China policy' is but another attempt to deny Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan.

While Beijing has refrained thus far from public criticism of the report, no one should be under any illusion that it will sit on its hands while Washington tinkers with the one-China policy.

Name Origin

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The article gives "pescadores" as the Portugese word for "fishermen"; I know that that is true in Spanish as well. It makes enough sense that a colonial power would have named an island like this, but I just wanted to make sure we know that it's Portugal and not Spain. --BDD 17:41, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A cursory glance at an History book tells you where were the Portuguese and the Castillian back in the early 1500ies: Taiwan was very much in the Portuguese zone. 82.155.75.102 22:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A cursory glance would miss out on the Philippines but, yes, it's from the Portuguese. — LlywelynII 16:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

County Flower

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In the introduction it is said that the county flower is the chrysanthemum, and on the right box the Firewheel is pointed as the county flower, which I think is the case, seeing the official website: http://www.penghu.gov.tw/ Tonyjeff 21:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Chinese name for the flower is translated in several ways. The best translation is 'immortals' as it is closest to the local Penghu name.

Characters

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The blue box is ugly and not needed, especially since there is already a county infobox occupying the same space. Please do not add it without consensus.--Jiang 02:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (China-related articles) currently states that it is up to the editors of each article to decide whether to use the box (and not the blue box). Wikipedia:Consensus states, "Wikipedia works by building consensus. This is done through polite discussion and negotiation, in an attempt to develop a consensus. If we find that a particular consensus happens often, we write it down as a guideline, to save people the time having to discuss the same principles over and over. Normally consensus is reached via discussion on talk pages."

Now, if there is a compelling reason to use the blue box in this particular article, then state it here. No comment means you do not have a opinion, in which case, I am the only one with an opinion.--Jiang 01:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest modifying the county infobox itself so that the pronunciation information could be presented inline there, rather than breaking up the lead sentence. cab 11:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. — LlywelynII 16:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

County flower

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Firewheel, or chrysantemum? The page, as of today, gives both. 82.155.75.102 22:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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AT LAST IT WAS RENAMED!!!

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Im sorry, but i wanna express my hapiness over the move... (Britannica uses Penghu, BBC uses penghu...) :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumuhua (talkcontribs) 22:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Call to discuss the possible relocation of "Penghu" to "Penghu County"

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Penghu is the name of the main island of the archipelago, what if somebody chooses to create the "Penghu" (island, the main island only) article?

Plus: wikipedia clearly differentiates between, among others: "Taipei" (city) and "Taipei County", "Taichung" (city) and "Taichung County", "Gaoxiong" (city) and "Gaoxiong County"... Shouldnt we follow that rule too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumuhua (talkcontribs) 23:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Few if any people will look for "Penghu County". If you think this administrative division is important enough as an entity separate from the place "Penghu" then create a separate article. Otherwise simply make a redirect that points "Penghu County" to the "Penghu" article. (Using Taipei as an example, the "Taipei" article covers the city and typing "Taipei City" redirects the user to the "Taipei" article.
My understanding is that the term "Penghu" usually refers to the entire group of islands. If not, then perhaps we erred in renaming this article and should have kept the "Pescadores" article for island group and created a "Penghu" article for the single island. For now, there doesn't seem to be sufficient content or interest to justify having two separate articles for thethe island group and the single island. Readin (talk) 00:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We won't really have an issue here. As far as I know, the County includes all and only the islands of the Penghu archipelago. We'll have the freedom of writing about both in the same article. As far as I can see, the article is fine, it talks of both the county and the islands, in fact its basically organised as a County article. We can keep the name 'Penghu' to generalise between both the County and islands. Liu Tao (talk) 16:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sino-dutch war in the pescadores in the 1620's

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  • Cooper, J. P., ed. (1979). The Decline of Spain and the Thirty Years War, 1609-59. Vol. Volume 4 of The New Cambridge Modern History (reprint ed.). CUP Archive. ISBN 0521297133. Retrieved 10 March 2014. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help); Invalid |ref=harv (help)

http://books.google.com/books?id=EvylnkgJ9ycC&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false

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The Dutch were driven out from the Pescadores by Ming chinese forces in the 1620's, several Dutch raids were defeated and Dutch sailors taken as POWs.

http://books.google.com/books?id=JWpF-dObxW8C&pg=PA1086#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JWpF-dObxW8C&pg=PA1087#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=xrGAXH_ne4IC&pg=PA1086#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=oaP2UFZVGDoC&pg=PA70#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tVhvh6ibLJcC&pg=PA368#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tVhvh6ibLJcC&pg=PA369#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=ddcV_cGegX4C&pg=PA191#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=dogeAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA93#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=g3oWoSKVnVIC&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tQI_AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA817#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=OrzVYrtMXrAC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=GXBCAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA92#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 16:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Liaoluo bay

http://books.google.com/books?id=TV6f2XWG6t4C&pg=PA122&dq=1633+zheng+dutch&hl=en&sa=X&ei=w6y7UteUHsjlsASdwYLYCQ&ved=0CC8Q6wEwAA#v=onepage&q=1633%20zheng%20dutch&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=aNBWudWBOsQC&pg=PA362&dq=1633+zheng+dutch&hl=en&sa=X&ei=w6y7UteUHsjlsASdwYLYCQ&ved=0CFsQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=1633%20zheng%20dutch&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=zERymZzBQQYC&pg=PA71&dq=1633+zheng+dutch&hl=en&sa=X&ei=w6y7UteUHsjlsASdwYLYCQ&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=1633%20zheng%20dutch&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=4JluAAAAMAAJ&q=1633+zheng+dutch&dq=1633+zheng+dutch&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8q67UtD4CNPJsQSUsYHAAQ&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBDgU

As for the Dutch depredations along the coast of Fukien in the 1 620's and early 1630's, the 'Red-haired barbarians' were effectively chased away and in 1633 soundly beaten at Liaolo by the legendary smuggler- turned-admiral, Zheng Zhilong. After that humiliation the Dutch in Taiwan were dependent on the goodwill of the Zheng clan, until their final expulsion from Formosa by Zheng Chenggong in

Battle of Liaoluo Bay

Siege of Fort Zeelandia

https://books.google.com/books?id=xrGAXH_ne4IC&pg=PA1086&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R-y2VI3TG8S4ggS3oIL4DA&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=JWpF-dObxW8C&pg=PA1086&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R-y2VI3TG8S4ggS3oIL4DA&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 20:23, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

https://books.google.com/books?id=3hsYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA322&lpg=PA322&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&source=bl&ots=yHu2kgdZri&sig=0D27FziOgvS7OWxP8i6UlhcLPXg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zhirVKbmNcrYggTps4LQDg&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=-xZBAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&source=bl&ots=BwECPINQ7-&sig=XaYenXy5DbmQ-_6wLwHTDSEbyVw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zhirVKbmNcrYggTps4LQDg&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=41nitLmBk0YC&pg=PA24&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bBmrVPSHJIzUgwTS5YOQBQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=41nitLmBk0YC&pg=PA24&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R-y2VI3TG8S4ggS3oIL4DA&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=PpkvBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA122&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R-y2VI3TG8S4ggS3oIL4DA&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=n8Hn4yAfztUC&pg=PA43&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R-y2VI3TG8S4ggS3oIL4DA&ved=0CD4Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=MSGvAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA110&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R-y2VI3TG8S4ggS3oIL4DA&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=OpdMq-YJoeoC&pg=PA384&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R-y2VI3TG8S4ggS3oIL4DA&ved=0CEQQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=yjXJOFEIIMkC&pg=PA79&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WvG2VNWBHMGcNpKqgZgG&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=sH2O-GvvnYMC&pg=PA146&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WvG2VNWBHMGcNpKqgZgG&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=MneIergR2d4C&pg=PA188&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4vW2VPCgKMOkNuSDhKgB&ved=0CCwQ6AEwBDge#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

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https://books.google.com/books?id=CBOpWiyl4NsC&pg=PA241&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FfK2VLipO8KlgwTEi4CwDA&ved=0CEUQ6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false



https://books.google.com/books?id=g3oWoSKVnVIC&pg=PA95&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R-y2VI3TG8S4ggS3oIL4DA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=a2_GQpLPPl8C&pg=PT329&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R-y2VI3TG8S4ggS3oIL4DA&ved=0CC4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false


https://books.google.com/books?id=e4b6qndkk08C&pg=PA30&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WvG2VNWBHMGcNpKqgZgG&ved=0CCkQ6AEwBDgK

https://books.google.com/books?id=MBhbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA37&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WvG2VNWBHMGcNpKqgZgG&ved=0CC8Q6AEwBTgK

https://books.google.com/books?id=ctLGAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA27&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WvG2VNWBHMGcNpKqgZgG&ved=0CBoQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=tyhT9SZRLS8C&pg=PA722&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4vW2VPCgKMOkNuSDhKgB&ved=0CBoQ6AEwATge#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=SP0mBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT57&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FfK2VLipO8KlgwTEi4CwDA&ved=0CBkQ6AEwATgU#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=Avn_-bMQZ5MC&pg=PT43&dq=pescadores+dutch+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WvG2VNWBHMGcNpKqgZgG&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=pescadores%20dutch%20defeat&f=false

Move discussion in progress

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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Kaohsiung which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 20:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Current edit war: ROC on Taiwan

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There's always the link through for people who are genuinely confused as to what the Republic of China is (they should learn already), but I've got no problem with glossing it as Taiwan... once. We shouldn't have both names through the entire article. Do it one time as "Republic of China (Taiwan)" in the lead or infobox and then leave the others as Taiwan or Republic of China as appropriate. — LlywelynII 16:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for future article expansion

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Bit on the early history of these islands through Chinese sources here. — LlywelynII 19:12, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Penghu in the PRC

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The question is I was wondering, with Penghu (aka Pescadores) still part of the ROC, is Penghu claimed by the PRC? We know the constitution of the PRC states that "Taiwan is part of the sacred territory of the People's Republic of China. It is the inviolable duty of all Chinese people, including our compatriots in Taiwan, to accomplish the great task of reunifying the motherland." and it possibly extends to Penghu. Wrestlingring (talk) 06:13, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion discussion

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There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Penghu Islands regarding the article Penghu Islands recently split from this one. Kanguole 13:54, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a map with authoritative names of the various islands

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The Chinese version of this page says that the main island is called 澎湖本島, i.e., "Penghu Island" or "Penghu Main Island", but the English page indicates that the island is called "Magong Island" or "Magong City/Huxi Township" (which is kind of nonsensical). Seems likely that "Penghu Island" is the correct name, but it's hard to find anything authoritative for this. Can anyone find and add a source clarifying what each island, especially the big one, is called? 114.44.208.19 (talk) 05:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am de-orphaning articles, and just linked Baisha Island in the Pengu#Administrative divisions section. I think this is the place being described. Joyous! Noise! 22:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]