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Introductory Paragraph
[edit]The introductory paragraph should include a statement about the population density in Gaza such as "The region has a considerably larger population density than the rest of Palestine." Calling the region "small" is a tad misleading without this clarification. 2600:1700:AC00:A390:4CA8:F6CC:54C9:372C (talk) 01:42, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- dont use undefined terms like small. Use actual figures and direct comparsons and let the reader decide if it is small. 2604:3D09:1583:7700:34D3:7E7:A71:757F (talk) 14:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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The number killed on October 7 2023 has been revised to 1,163, including 767 civilians. Source: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2024/02/04/israel-s-iraqi-moment_6492786_23.html Sustnabili Thuy (talk) 08:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Updates
[edit]Article has become outdated, as there is minimum mention of how the ongoing Israeli invasion ravaged the strip. Needs addressing. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Outdated count of UN member states that have recognized Palestine.
[edit]The current page says only 138 member states of the UN as well as the Holy See have recognized Palestine but as of June 12, 2024, that number is now 144 according to the Wikipedia article it links to. I cannot edit it myself so I'm making this post. Atemp624 (talk) 11:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Selfstudier (talk) 11:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
"Gaza death camp" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Gaza death camp has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 15 § Gaza death camp until a consensus is reached. Anonymous 19:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Population size in infobox
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The current population size estimate doesn't make sense.
It says 2,375,259 for year 2022, and the reference is an Arabic article in a Chinese news site quoting Hamas.
There are a few more reliable sources, one of which should be used instead:
- PCBS, in this document, says 2.257M at the end of 2023, which is -100K, a year later.
(Another document from the same source says 2.23M for mid-2023.)
- cia.gov's estimate is 2.14M for 2024, so seemingly more recent.
The same source is used in Demographics of the State of Palestine.
- It seems the UN estimate is somewhere in between, based on List of countries by population (United Nations), which shows a total of 5.37M for Gaza + West Bank in mid-2023, compared to PCBS's 5.548M at end-of-2023.
galenIgh 22:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Done Using cia source. GrayStorm(Complaints Dept.|My Contribs.) 23:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Nice touch on updating the density too.
- By the way, that relates to another uncertain piece of data that might need updating: the area. But on a cursory search I don't see a conclusion.
- The article currently says 365 km² but the two references don't support it:
- Ref 1, the PDF article, doesn't seem to say it at all (searched, haven't read the whole thing).
- Ref 2, cia.gov, actually contradicts it and says 360 km².
- Britannica says 140 mile² / 363 km².
- galenIgh 21:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
ICJ ruling
[edit]ICJ ruling has declared the Gaza Strip to be occupied regardless of the 2005 "disengagement", elaborating that occupation is not about the existence of military forces but the presence of an alternative authority in the territory in question. This should be reflected in this article. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Protests
[edit]In 2019, hundreds of Gazans took to the streets to demand a better life in what became known as the "we want to live" protests. Hamas security forces brutally suppressed the marches, beat the demonstrators and arrested over a thousand of them. . To disperse the crowds of demonstrators they opened fire at the crowd and beat them with clubs.
Protests against Hamas once again took to the streets of Gaza in the summer of 2023 demanding an improvement in the difficult living conditions under the same slogan, "We want to live". They were also brutally suppressed https://www.zman.co.il/508008/ 2.55.51.33 (talk) 20:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Incorrect Blockade Text
[edit]This text in the article is misleading to the point of being factually incorrect:
In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza, dismantled its settlements, and implemented a temporary blockade of Gaza. The blockade became indefinite after the 2007 Hamas takeover.
At a minimum, the portion “and implemented a temporary blockade of Gaza” should be removed. The blockade in place today was implemented in June 2007 after the unilateral withdrawal of Israel from Gaza. While there was some minor restriction of movement 2005-07, blockade is probably not the correct term. The restrictions were more akin to border controls than a blockade and were nothing like the blockade that began in 2007, with extensive restrictions on the movement of good and people. Also the source cited is an opinion piece, not a legitimate source for historical information. Please consider these two sources to replace source 19, which contain only facts and all the information contained, so can strictly replace source 19:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Israels-disengagement-from-Gaza
https://www.unicef.org/mena/documents/gaza-strip-humanitarian-impact-15-years-blockade-june-2022
Happy to provide more information as necessary to explain why this edit is necessary or answer any questions. AndyBrown1 (talk) 02:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've changed the wording. Alaexis¿question? 09:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- [1] this is factually false: "In 2006.... escalated its blockade, imposed the year before". Makeandtoss (talk) 10:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Lede
[edit]@Alexysun: When your insertions are reverted, you take it to the talk page to seek consensus, not by restoring without discusson. Does the Israel first lede paragraph mention that it is ruled by Likud and Kach's successor Otzma Yehudit? Makeandtoss (talk) 11:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not really a valid comparison. Gaza Strip is not a country. It's part of Palestine. It's an important distinction to make that the two Palestinian territories are administrated by two different groups. Alexysun (talk) 18:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- The opening paragraph must be kept general and neutral per MOS:OPEN, and the point that Hamas rules the strip is already mentioned in the lede. I also happen to disagree with your edits here [2], as this is not an article about the Gaza blockade but about the strip as a whole and this does not deserve two more minor details in two sentences. Makeandtoss (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain to me why it's not neutral? Also it's not clear in the lead that Hamas administers the strip. Secondly, the blockade is a major event in relation to the strip. Not sure why you think it's negligible.Alexysun (talk) 04:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The opening paragraph must be kept general and neutral per MOS:OPEN, and the point that Hamas rules the strip is already mentioned in the lede. I also happen to disagree with your edits here [2], as this is not an article about the Gaza blockade but about the strip as a whole and this does not deserve two more minor details in two sentences. Makeandtoss (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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