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Too long

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The too long tag has been there a year; it's 20,000 words readable prose size. With Winston Churchill, it's the highest profile article that is too long - WP:Article Size. There are different ways of trimming but it needs to be trimmed. Most or all of the main child/sub articles have been set-up already so it's simply a case of summarising them here, Tom B (talk) 09:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moved paragraphs to relevant pages and trimmed content to be a little more precise. Abc747 (talk) 15:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Abc747, thanks for that, but please don't remove the tag just yet - more is needed still. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, sorry, just trying to be helpful! Abc747 (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, not like it's the most influential figure of the 20th century... there is so much to say that one easily falls into omissions, superficiality and skewed impressions when trimming it. I don't want to sound too rigid - but I hope you understand what I mean. Shoshin000 (talk) 18:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At least concerning the lede: it has a similar size to Benito Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Mao Zedong. Curiously, António de Oliveira Salazar is longer. Shoshin000 (talk) 16:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think one area that can be shortended is the "Personality" section: these sections have fallen out of favour on Wikipedia and the one in this article is quite long. Perhaps this information can have less prose or be distributed to other sections of the article. There is also a lot of places in "Personal life and characteristics" that have too much detail. For example, a reader does not need to know that "He was born with a webbed left foot" or his work schedule in the third paragraph. Other sections have hatnotes that summarise the text in less than four paragraphs: these sections should also not have more than four paragraphs. I suggest that someone aggressively remove prose that is too much detail for the average reader to know. I would do it myself but my methods are sometimes reverted and I do not want to spend hours editing an article only to have the work undone. Z1720 (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it long enough to put in a separate article? Shoshin000 (talk) 18:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shoshin000: If you are referring to the personality section, I would only spin it off into another article if there were independent, reliable, secondary sources that provided significant coverage of Stalin's personality. In other words, an entire academic journal article discussing his personality, not having the information mixed in with biographical information. The same with other information that might be spun out. Z1720 (talk) 21:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]