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BARs in Abyssinia

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I recently came across a photograph from the Italian invasion of Abyssinia (now Ethiopia). The photo shows two deceased Ethiopian soldiers and what is clearly two early-style (1918) BARs propped up on their position.

Anyone know how BARs ended up in Ethiopia during that period (late 1930s)? The photo in question is in a book; if I could find it online I would provide a link.

How long were they in inventory?

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I have a relative who went through USAF basic training in 1977 and was trained on the BAR. Seems like a long time after it would be frontline issue.

Just out of curiousity, how long were they officially in service?

i dont no the exact date it was retired but i no it was probaly retired soon after reltive used it or 80's, but i no it might be still in stocks. they still have original m16

.303 SAA Ball Variant

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I seen an M1918 Bar in .303 Calibre, Was this a proposed version for the British before using the bren?User:EX STAB

Recent move

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The page was moved today under the basis that it is "not usually capped in sources", but after looking through most the published sources used within the article, this seems to be untrue:

  • The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II, Military Small Arms of the 20th Century, Small Arms Review, Ordnance Went Up Front, The Browning Automatic Rifle (Osprey Publishing book), all display a clear preference for rendering it with capitals
  • The Machine Gun, Volume I: History, Evolution, and Development of Manual, Automatic, and Airborne Repeating Weapons only mentions it by full name twice, spelling it with caps one instance and without in the other, so it doesn't really help us here
  • Small Arms of the World renders it as "Browning Automatic rifle", which is also an unhelpful middle ground as it differs to any of the other sources
  • FM 23-15 is the only one I could find that did actually show a preference for rendering it without capitals, but one primary source doesn't seem to denote the "usually" that the page mover invoked.

Therefore, unless someone presents an argument to the contrary that the majority of sources do render it without capitals, I'd suggest moving the article title back. Loafiewa (talk) 21:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was under the impression that the name Browning Automatic Rifle was usually capitalized, so it seems to me that the article name should be put back the way it was. (Pinging @FlightTime:, who did the rename.) — Mudwater (Talk) 21:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Loafiewa and Mudwater: If the consensus of this discussion is to move it back, ping me and I'll be glad to. Ping @Dicklyon: The user who posted the move request. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had checked usage statistics before requesting the move to conform with MOS:CAPS and WP:MILCAPS. If someone would rather go through an RM discussion, let me know and I'll have it reverted back. Dicklyon (talk) 22:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Firearms#BAR caps, notifying editors there of this discussion. — Mudwater (Talk) 22:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: - Posting a move request after consensus is reached at WP:RM/TR is most likely going to require a proper RM discussion. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you understand the concept behind RM/TR? "To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection" i.e. uncontroversial requests.
In what possible way was this 'uncontroversial' ?
You moved this only two hours after it was listed on RM/TR. That gives no time for any objection, or even notice. Why the hurry?
We work (supposedly) by consensus here. Yet this move was never raised or discussed on the affected page. Why not?
Why did you move an article from a long-term stable title, linked from many other articles and navboxes, and yet you didn't even leave a redirect ?
How on earth are you an admin? Andy Dingley (talk) 00:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have asked at WP:RMTR for it to be moved back. Will do an RM discussion after it is. Dicklyon (talk) 00:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're so grateful to you for your intervention here.
(I'd already done this.) Andy Dingley (talk) 00:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I didn't look down at the end; I usually add at the top. Self-reverted that now. Dicklyon (talk) 00:39, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops indeed.
Do you find that ignoring the RM/TR specific advice to list at the bottom and put them in first place instead is regularly effective at getting them actioned within two hours, before anyone notices they're there? You have enormous experience of RM/TR practice and you castigate those editors who are not. Please don't take us for fools. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I missed that bit. I'll be more careful in the future. Dicklyon (talk) 00:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FlightTime: please move it back. Dicklyon (talk) 00:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted the move as controversial. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 August 2024

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M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle → M1918 Browning automatic rifle – Not usually capped in sources. Normalize per MOS:CAPS and WP:MILCAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 01:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't let sources "vote" – the guideline is about "consistently capitalized" in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 16:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good reminder. I just now collected a more complete list at User:Dicklyon/MIL precedents, and will link it with the data above. Dicklyon (talk) 18:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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