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Richard Brody (August 7, 2023). ""Oppenheimer" Is Ultimately a History Channel Movie with Fancy Editing". The New Yorker. Archived from the original on August 4, 2023. Retrieved August 7, 2023. simple, fact-heavy article [...] turns out to offer more complexity and more enticing detail than Nolan's script does. And it has more to say about the movie's essential themes—the ironies and perils that arise when science, ambition, and political power mix—than the movie itself does.
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change " In August of that year, he met Katherine ("Kitty") Puening, a radical Berkeley student and former Communist Party member." to "In August of that year, he met Katherine ("Kitty") Puening, a former Communist Party member."
Reason: Kitty was at the time attending the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) for a post graduate fellowship, as is explained later in the article.
She was never a student at UC Berkeley, nor was she considered a "radical" figure at the time of their meeting in 1939.
Source: American Prometheus by Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin, page 161. Wikiwannabeexpert (talk) 23:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I ought to drop a note here; I'm not sure if this will be controversial or not, and I don't mean to imply that it was added originally to promote a particular brand, but the specific reference to Oppenheimer's preferred cigarettes in the section on his death by throat cancer felt unconnected from the overall topic of both the section and the topic. If I'm misreading the notability guidelines, please do correct me. Ejl389 (talk) 00:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article... These guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article or list. They do not limit the content of an article (WP:Notability) The relevant essay is Wikipedia:Content removal: content may be removed if it is unsourced, inaccurate, irrelevant or inappropriate. The content in question is sourced and accurate. In this case, its relevance stems from Oppenheimer's death by cancer, and the fact that his students consciously emulated him by smoking his brand. Back to you. Hawkeye7(discuss)03:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no question that it's accurate for the record, I did notice you made quite a few other contributions to the article! That's why I had confidence this wasn't in poor faith and I wanted to drop a mention on the talk page. It feels incidental to the cancer since any cigarette (or indeed the pipe tobacco) would eventually have that effect, unless Chesterfields were unusually cancerous, so as strange as this may sound it almost read like product placement somehow. Would it maybe be enough to mention something about how his students emulated the behaviour somewhere in the Teaching section? Really just asking questions, of course, and if you think that it was fine where it was I'll defer to your judgement on the matter since I have the impression you're a more seasoned editor. 😅 --Ejl389 (talk) 04:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed details of her death[1] footnoted to what appears to be a small-town newspaper. I don't believe that is adequate sourcing even if the details were supported by the source, and they do not. I'm finding websites here and there making that contention, regarding how she was dogged by her father's security clearance denial, quite possibly using Wikipedia as a source; the wording is the same. One [2] saying it was "likely" that was the reason. The FBI does not disclose why it denies security clearances. Perhaps the reason was the emotional instability that led to her suicide? Was her FBI file subsequently released to the public? That seems to be the only way to know why her security clearance was not granted, if indeed it was denied or even required in the first place. I don't understand frankly why the United Nations, a non-U.S. institution, would require a U.S. security clearance for a translator. I think we need better sourcing than what appears to be speculation, especially since this is a somewhat exceptional and rather dubious claim. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 13:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was able to access relevant information in American Prometheus on Google Books, p. 590, but p. 591, which details the suicide, is not online. If anyone has the book proper, perhaps they can reconfirm the details of the suicide. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 14:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have a copy. It used to be available on Internet Archive. I have tweaked the article slightly to match the source. It reads on p. 590:
The FBI opened a full field investigation—and dredged up all the old charges about her father. In what must have been a painful and ironic blow to a tender ego, the security clearance never came through.
On p. 684, we have the source for this, which is cited as Oppenheimer's file, Section 59, "Letter to Newark", 22/12/69. I checked the file though [3] and this is not listed in the index. None of the letters are available online. Hawkeye7(discuss)19:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But clearly, she still had issues with her parents. For a time, she saw a psychiatrist in St. Thomas, and she told her friend Inga Hiilivirta that this experience had helped her to understand “her resentment toward her parents from the way she had been treated as a young child.” She suffered from fits of depression. One day, determined to drown herself, she started swimming out from Hawksnest Bay toward Carval Rock, where Robert’s ashes rested on the sea bottom in an urn. She swam for a long time straight out across the ocean—and then, as she later confided to a friend—she suddenly felt better and turned back to shore.
On a Sunday afternoon in January 1977, she hanged herself in the beach cottage Robert had built on Hawksnest Bay. Her suicide was clearly premeditated. On her bed Toni had left a $10,000 bond and a will deeding the house to “the people of St. John.” She was beloved throughout the island. “Everybody loved her,” Barlas said, “but she didn’t know that.” Hundreds came to the funeral—so many, in fact, that scores had to stand outside the small church in Cruz Bay.
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Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)