Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion
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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.
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Information on the process
[edit]What may be nominated for deletion here:
- Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, MOS: (in the unlikely event it ever contains a page that is not a redirect or one of the 5 disambiguation pages) and the various Talk: namespaces
- Userboxes, regardless of the namespace
- Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.
Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.
Before nominating a page for deletion
[edit]Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:
Deleting pages in your own userspace |
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Deleting pages in other people's userspace |
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Policies, guidelines and process pages |
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WikiProjects and their subpages |
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Alternatives to deletion |
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Alternatives to MfD |
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Please familiarize yourself with the following policies
[edit]- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus
- Wikipedia:Deletion process – our guidelines on how to list anything for deletion
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – a how-to guide whose protocols on discussion format and shorthands also apply here
- Wikipedia:Project namespace – our guidelines on "Wikipedia" namespace pages
- Wikipedia:User page – our guidelines on user pages and user subpages
- Wikipedia:Userboxes – our guideline on userboxes
How to list pages for deletion
[edit]Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:
Instructions on listing pages for deletion:
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To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted) Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.
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CfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 27 |
TfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 5 |
MfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
FfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 |
RfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 79 | 79 |
AfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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Archived discussions
[edit]A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.
Current discussions
[edit]- Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.
October 23, 2024
[edit]Only one topic besides primary topic. There needs to be at least two non-primary topics per MOS:DAB.
- Weak Delete I suppose. I'm on the borderline because some tiny but non-zero number of readers will be looking for a Eugene Robinson or Jean Robinson I suppose, and that's too many to go into the Bishop's hatnote, so pointing to a disambig page serves them, otherwise they will not find a link to their desired article, possibly. Herostratus (talk) 03:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: procedural close. Wrong venue. Disambiguation pages are nominated for deletion at WP:AfD. (non-admin closure) —Alalch E. 14:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC) Only one topic besides the primary topic. A DAB page needs at least two other topics per MOS:DAB GilaMonster536 (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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October 19, 2024
[edit]This essay is unclear and not useful. The issues described in the 2016 deletion discussion were never resolved. Users arguing for keep and the discussion closer suggested editing the essay for clarity, which has never happened. I regard the clarity problems as inherent in this failed attempt at humorous presentation and attempts to edit to ameliorate the issue would necessarily result in a wholly different page. There are better essays on the relevant issues. See Category:Wikipedia essays about experts and expertise and any number of elaborations on WP:DUE, including Wikipedia:Academic bias, Wikipedia:Neutral and proportionate point of view, Wikipedia:Scientific point of view. Daask (talk) 21:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Unlike policies or guidelines, essays need not have consensus, nor do they even have to be good. The fact that it would still benefit from revision to make it clearer, and the fact that better essays also exist, are not valid reasons for deletion. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Completley agree with the above. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 21:58, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep What is the problem being solved with this nomination? It's an accurate essay. Johnuniq (talk) 01:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - This is a useless essay. Essays, like drafts, should usually be tolerated even if they do not seem useful, especially if they are marked as {{humor}}, even if we don't think that they are humorous. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or I'll sic my sword-wielding skeleton army on you, transported from the distant galaxies on DC-10s from the mighty Axis of Cosmological Truth. (Fine and concise essay, and the first time I'd ever heard of this cosmological axis thing. Cool.) Antandrus (talk) 21:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. It's not a good essay IMO. Confusing -- I don't really get what the author is on about. It's listed as a humor page, but its not very funny IMO. There is a level of quality required for essays in mainspace. If an essay just isn't good enough, it should be userfied. Is this essay that bad? Not bad enough to delete IMO, altho it's close. Herostratus (talk) 06:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I'm not sure what this essay is about, but I don't think there's any policy violations occuring with it either, not least ones necessitating deletion. JavaHurricane 07:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- @JavaHurricane and Tryptofish: I'm confused by your appeal to policy or "valid reasons" for deletion. There isn't anything but WP:DEL-REASON, which itself states that it is not exhaustive. On project pages, we have nothing but WP:IAR and WP:PURPOSE to guide us. I nominated it because I thought this page was a net negative to the encyclopedia, and as far as I know that's a valid reason for pages in the Wikipedia namespace. Daask (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are certainly entitled to make a case for your opinion that it's a net negative. But that's your opinion, as opposed to a violation of policy by the essay. And, as your opinion, other editors are just as entitled to respond to it with their opinions, which, in this case, are starting to "snow". And that, in turn, is why we have WP:IDONTLIKEIT. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is incorrect that on project pages we have nothing to guide us To delete a projectspace essay, that page would normally need to manifest
use of the ... project ... namespace that is contrary to the established separate policy for that namespace
(WP:DEL-REASON#13). That established separate "policy" for a projectspace essay is WP:ESSAYPAGES.Essays can be ... short theses, ... funny, ... or opinionated
. —Alalch E. 18:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- @JavaHurricane and Tryptofish: I'm confused by your appeal to policy or "valid reasons" for deletion. There isn't anything but WP:DEL-REASON, which itself states that it is not exhaustive. On project pages, we have nothing but WP:IAR and WP:PURPOSE to guide us. I nominated it because I thought this page was a net negative to the encyclopedia, and as far as I know that's a valid reason for pages in the Wikipedia namespace. Daask (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:SNOW keep. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E40E:82FD:34F5:80E2 (talk) 10:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy as an unhelpful and confusing essay which isn't funny. I don't see this as being helpful for the Wikipedia namespace. -1ctinus📝🗨 13:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
All prior XfDs for this page: |
This page is a how-to guide on how to get banned from Wikipedia in the fastest possible time. It exists solely to encourage readers to violate Wikipedia policies. This page detracts from our purpose of building an encyclopedia and is forbidden by Wikipedia:User pages § Advocacy or support of grossly improper behaviors with no project benefit. Daask (talk) 20:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - This essay does not encourage readers to violate Wikipedia policies. It is sarcastic, and tells readers two ways that they will get indeffed in a hurry. By the way, they won't get banned. Vandals and trolls are very seldom actually banned because they aren't worth the formality of a ban proceeding at WP:ANI, and no one will disagree with the admin who blocks them as not here, which encompasses a multitude of sins. Essays, especially humorous essays, are usually tolerated even if we disagree with them, and I agree with the real message of this essay, which is that these are two quick ways to get indeffed. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's hard for any reader to differentiate whether an author is sarcastically recommending bad behavior or actually recommending bad behavior. See Poe's law. The project content guideline I cited above states that user pages may not contain "
Statements or pages that seem to advocate, encourage, or condone... vandalism
". Whether the author intended to encourage it or not, their words certainly seem to do just that. Daask (talk) 17:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)- Poe's law is irrelevant, as the essay states that it is humor. FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's hard for any reader to differentiate whether an author is sarcastically recommending bad behavior or actually recommending bad behavior. See Poe's law. The project content guideline I cited above states that user pages may not contain "
- Clarificatory comment This is a copy+paste of a project-space essay that was the subject of an MfD at some point by Liz, who stated that
I have no problem if this is moved to User space but I don't think it should be in project space
. I userfied it in the interests of preservation of info and in protest at the dry humorlessness of some of the !votes, which were coming off as a bit WP:BITEy towards the author. - While I am of course fully aware that I am now responsible for this content, I’d also like it known that I did not write it as such, because if I ever applied for advanced perms it might lead to awkward questions.
- Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 16:15, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the prior history. There was strong consensus to delete in the last conversation, although several people did comment that they would be fine with userfying. Daask (talk) 17:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There is a marginal but non-negligible chance that the essay could inspire vandalism. This detriment is not outweighed by any benefit coming from the essay. Et cetera. See all the other delete !votes in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipedia ban speedrun. Projectspace, userspace, same difference.—Alalch E. 16:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep . The article is clearly joking in tone. In fact, the essay explicitly says "Do not do this no matter what"
- So, I think that this article should be kept on the grounds of allowing humor, same as articles like WP:Ignore every single rule and WP:APF FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 21:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Additional argument: I got a bit of a smirk out of reading the article, so I believe it has value as humor. FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 22:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete is this the Wikipedia equivalent of Hipster racism? lol. Just because you say that you're giving tips "ironically", you're still inspiring vandalism. -1ctinus📝🗨 13:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's giving tips on how to get banned.
- The vandals inspired by this would be reverted and gotten rid of easily. FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 23:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Alalch E. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 02:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
October 16, 2024
[edit]Newly created WikiProject that didn't follow the WikiProject Council recommendations and only has two members. No discernable activity since the project page was created three months ago. The topic could be covered under existing projects like Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa and/or Wikipedia:WikiProject Literature. – Joe (talk) 19:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - There is a procedure for the advance review of Wikiprojects to avoid having nothing-burger projects like this. The work of a WikiProject is mostly done on its talk page. There is no talk page. Neither the originator nor anyone else has posted to it, so it has not been created. That says that this project is a nothing. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - A task for of either Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa or Wikipedia:WikiProject Literature would be a better idea, as per nominator. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete abortive WikiProject and any and all associated pages. Even if trying to form a task force, first form a group.—Alalch E. 16:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, and the comments above. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 02:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
September 22, 2024
[edit]Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Aramea |
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The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 23:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC) WikiProject Aramea was created in 2015, and through viewing the edit history, has rarely seen any edits or discussion on creation or editing of articles since that time. Additionally, many of its formerly active members were sockpuppet accounts of users that have since been blocked indefinitely. The WikiProject itself is almost an exact carbon copy of WikiProject Assyria, with the same sections, graphics, and layout. I am proposing that the WikiProject be deleted as it essentially acts as a content fork, which is one of Wikipedia's criteria for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surayeproject3 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Old business
[edit]Everything below this point is old business; the 7-day review period that began 06:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ended today on 24 October 2024. Editors may continue to add comments until the discussion is closed but they should keep in mind that the discussion below this marker may be closed at any time without further notice. Discussions that have already been closed will be removed from the page automatically by Legobot and need no further action. |