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Palestinians in Egypt

Hello, I've noticed this article does not discuss the palestinians that went to Egypt after 1948 even though there is a large number of them Dana Saber (talk) 19:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good question I was about to ask the same thing. Also not mentioned is that every arab country that accepted palestinian refugees after 1948 have had their governments attacked by the refugees. The Black September was an armed conflict in Jordan in the early 70's that involved a violent government takeover attempt by the palestinian refugees. Similar events happened in every arab country that accepted palestinian refugees. Dionyseus (talk) 14:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So which similar event happened in Egypt? Zero^talk 00:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Population percentage in fourth paragraph

The text in the 4th paragraph about the 700,000 displaced Arabs is misleading.

"During the 1948 Palestine War, around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs or 85% of the total population in what became Israel fled or were expelled from their homes, to the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and to the countries of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan."

It could be read to mean "85% of the 1945 total population of Israel, minus the West Bank, Gaza, and east Jerusalem", which might be true. It could also mean "85% of the total Arab population in what became Israel". That could be close to true. However, it implies "85% of the total population in all the territory today known as Israel". Which is no where near true. The population is listed in a linked article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandator,y_Palestine#Demographics, as being 1,764,520, with Arabs being 1,061,270. But 700,000 isn't 85% of 1,061,270, and it isn't 85% of 1,764,520.

I'm not sure what the data refers to, but it's certainly misleading. 71.226.69.156 (talk) 18:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Selfstudier (talk) 19:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, NOT war refugees /Gaza strip: demogr / Refugees before WWII

- Refugees are systematically as war refugees here which is giving a wrong impression to readers.Should Arabe ountries had won that war then maybe Palestinians could have stayed but it is not even certain. Europe might have come to the rescue. So, the real reason is the estabishment of Israel.

(To me it is a bit the same as claiming that the purge of all Jews (but now only: all European diaspora) was due to the fact that Arabs had lost this war, out of pride. In reality it was a reaction to a project (Israel) they had always been opposed to.)

So it weems unfair to claim that Palestinians were refugees of a war that would never had happened without zionism.

2. There were 250'000 refugees in Gaza strip beginning of 1950 and a total population of 1'760^000 in 2015 based on my research. The number of refugees and their descents cannot possibly be 550'000. I couldn't fin a chart on UNWRA . It is really difficult to extract facts from there. I used a Website called Statistica (refresh browser each time).

3. There were refugees before WWWII. Whole villages erased and people thrown out and put on road by very hot wether. I'll try to find a source.

4. Anything more precise about West Bank? When they arrived and how many? (I struggle to find figuress) Thank you. Leaving Neveland (talk) 00:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The claim about Benny Morris is incorrect and footnote 32 supporting this position is taken out of context.

The line currently reads, According to historian Benny Morris, the expulsion was planned and encouraged by the Zionist leadership.[32]

However it should read: According to historian Benny Morris, expulsion was encouraged by some Zionist leaders during parts of the 1948 war, although it was never established policy.[32]

The beginning of the footnote [32] 2601:45:4001:AA60:C8DD:9A25:DC43:F6BF (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is "citizen" the right word in the first sentence?

Did the british mandate even have a concept of a citizen of mandate palestine? DMH223344 (talk) 18:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, see Palestinian Citizenship Order 1925. But the word is not properly used in the first sentence. Actually the UNRWA definition specifies persons habitually resident in Palestine for two years, rather than citizens. This made the biggest difference for Jews, who by and large were not Palestinian citizens. Jews were later excluded on Israel's request. Zero^talk 14:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]