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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_September_2
September 2
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:WikiProject Central Asia projects
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Central Asia projects to Category:Central Asia WikiProjects
- Nominator's rationale: These aren't sub-projects. Similar to Category:Southern Africa WikiProjects and Category:Polynesia-related WikiProjects. Gonnym (talk) 17:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Military humor in film
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Military humor in film to Category:Military comedy films
- Nominator's rationale: The category groups films by the distinct genre, name of which seems to be established at this point and supported by sources like [1]. And also the parallel category to this is Category:Military comedy television series. Solidest (talk) 14:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably, if renamed, the category needs to be purged as well. A comedy film is a stricter criterion than a film with humor. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian food and drink organizations
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TIES, this category should use Australian English spelling. AusLondonder (talk) 14:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @AusLondonder: I think you typed the same name twice. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Video game franchises by genre
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Video game franchises by genre to Category:Video game series by genre
- Nominator's rationale: As Category:Video game series by narrative genre was also renamed, replacing franchise with series, this category should be renamed to match with its subcategories. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 08:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Meteorites by name
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Meteorites by name to Category:Named meteorites
- Nominator's rationale: Not a navigation to lower categories. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Don't all notable meteorites have a name? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Taxoboxes with uncapitalized status parameters
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Unneeded category per User talk:Peter coxhead#Category:Taxoboxes with uncapitalized status parameters. Gonnym (talk) 08:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Category was intended to track capitalization errors, but isn't used at all now. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cyber Security by country
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Cyber Security by country to Category:Computer security by country
- Propose renaming Category:Cyber Security in India to Category:Computer security in India
- Propose renaming Category:Cyber Security in Italy to Category:Computer security in Italy
- Propose renaming Category:Cyber Security in Pakistan to Category:Computer security in Pakistan
- Nominator's rationale: Merge to existing category to match Computer security. AusLondonder (talk) 22:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support as long as the child cats are renamed/merged. Mason (talk) 01:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, obvious duplicate. The subcategories have been listed as well. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! AusLondonder (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename the subcategories, too? (They have not been tagged for a full week, so I will relist in addition to pinging previous participants.)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison and Marcocapelle: Thoughts on renaming? (And Mason, apologies for the repeated pings tonight :D) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Lol, no worries. Support renaming the subcats. Mason (talk) 03:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming the subcategories too, for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Lol, no worries. Support renaming the subcats. Mason (talk) 03:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Vehicle simulation MOGs
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Vehicle simulation MOGs to Category:Multiplayer vehicle operation games
- Nominator's rationale: A very similar category already exists. The desired category for merging is for practically the same thing. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose. As the originator of both categories, "multiplayer vehicle operation games" is actually the category that is more specific.
- here is its specific role :
A category for any video game, arcade game, or board game in which multiple players are able to each operate a different control station or weapon station on the same vehicle at the same time.
,the category for vehicle simulation MOGs is more generic, as it is simply any multiplayer games where players play the game by operating a vehicle, i.e. rather than controlling an in-game persona. --Sm8900 (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or reverse merge, the difference is too subtle to keep them apart. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- it is entirely different. in "multiplayer vehicle operation games," you and other players would be at separate stations on the same vehicle. Whereas "Vehicle simulation MOGs" includes any and all games where each player has their own jet fighter, or tank,or other vehicle, and is trying to shoot other players. Sm8900 (talk) 19:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For discussion on Sm8900's latest comment.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still would be helpful to have a response to Sm8900's most recent comment :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- Merge already. This is really cheating because I'm the nominator but I want to get this over with. QuantumFoam66 talk) 17:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Experimental science
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/redundant. (All these categories have been made by the same user.) For bio the category is Unhelpful for navigation, this category contains 1 topic, a journal, and an organization. The working assumption in biology is that they're doing experiments. Mason (talk) 19:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- At least delete Category:Experimental science: redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Should the other two also be deleted? (If there are no further comments in a week, I would close this as regular delete Category:Experimental science and soft delete the other two.)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Jagiroad District
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:People from Jagiroad District to Category:People from Jagiroad
- Nominator's rationale: The Wikipedia category should be renamed from "People from Jagiroad district" to "People from Jagiroad" because Jagiroad is not a district but a town in Assam, India. Saurabh{Talk} 03:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the only article in the category does not contain any information about where the subject lived or lives. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Does
He has been elected in Assam Legislative Assembly election […] from Jagiroad constituency
not imply that? jlwoodwa (talk) 06:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)- No, unless Jagiroad is the only populated place in the constituency. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Jagiroad is actually the most populated town in the constituency, and it's also the second most populated area in the district after the district headquarters. It's often considered a sub-division of the district due to its size and importance. Besides being a major transport hub, it's also an industrial area with significant establishments like the Hindustan Paper Mill and the Tata Semiconductor Assembly and Testing Facility. Saurabh{Talk} 17:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the phrase does imply that he was elected from the Jagiroad constituency in the Assam Legislative Assembly election. Categorizing this information can help clarify these details and provide a more comprehensive understanding of the subject.
- However, we can also use "Jagiroad" instead of "People from Jagiroad," which will provide broader coverage. Saurabh{Talk} 14:54, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- He is in three Assam MLAs categories and a political party category, that seems to suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, unless Jagiroad is the only populated place in the constituency. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Does
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:47, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same question: Rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Scientists with secret work
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining categories. The only non-occupation page is for an organization not defined by Scientific secrecy. Mason (talk) 19:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- At least delete Category:Scientific secrecy: the only article is not about that topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Should Category:Scientists with secret work also be deleted? (If there are no further comments in a week, I would close this as soft delete Category:Scientists with secret work and regular delete Category:Scientific secrecy.)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mass shootings involving armed citizens
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure if this should be renamed, as armed citizens seems like a POV title, or outright deleted as non-defining. User:Namiba 14:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. POV and not-defining. Are there mass shootings perpetrated by unarmed people? Or wait, is this supposed to be shootings where someone was armed at all? regardless, delete. Mason (talk) 03:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for context, this refers to incidents where someone where someone who was not the police went after the perpetrator with a weapon, armed citizen here is referring to the person who tried to stop them and not the perp. For a few of these incidents in this cat this is actually quite defining and discussed, but I don't care enough to argue this. In either case I do not think it is POV; armed citizens is the usual title for this kind of thing in the sources. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:25, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as creator This has been a major topic of discussion in the American gun control debate, and there are plenty of sources talking about it (just search "mass shootings armed citizens". I think it is a defining characteristic for some shootings (New Life Church, Greenwood, Sutherland Springs, Cetinje for an international example; there are plenty of sources discussing the armed citizens' roles in those attacks). The cat can be removed from the others if you want. It's also not POV, I guess we can change it to "Mass shootings involving defensive gun use" if you want.Also Mason please look at the category page and take 5 seconds to read the description before you comment anything. Thank you. Lettlre (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I read the category. @Lettlre My point was that the name was not clear. Mason (talk) 19:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm on the fence about whether to keep or delete. However, if kept, it needs renaming because the current name is unclear, both because it could refer to the shooter and because citizen generally refers to someone with citizenship, which is obviously unconnected to this topic. Perhaps something like Category:Mass shootings involving armed civilian defenders, though I don't like the word "defender" but I'm unsure what else to suggest. Mclay1 (talk) 02:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename? Delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBT YouTube celebrities
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not a helpful redirect, considering that the start of both this category and its target is "LGBT YouTube". Delete it. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- The category was moved to Category:LGBT YouTubers nearly a decade ago, I don't have a problem with deleting this. AusLondonder (talk) 03:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite sure I understand the rationale though, it was only in existence as a result of a move. AusLondonder (talk) 04:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- The category was moved to Category:LGBT YouTubers nearly a decade ago, I don't have a problem with deleting this. AusLondonder (talk) 03:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, nom is right that redirects that only deviate from the target at the very end of the search term are entirely redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:This TV affiliates
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Empty category (network defunct) Mvcg66b3r (talk) 02:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete You shouldn't be preemptively emptying categories, but here deletion is merited when the network in question no longer exists. See this CfD nom from 2023. More information on This TV is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of This TV affiliates. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, don't empty categories out of process, period. But especially, there is no point of discussing an empty category at a CFD discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 07:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Post-Classical Chinese philosophers
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Post-classical is vague and unclearly defined Mason (talk) 02:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I thought we had a complete post-classical tree for East and South Asia, but apparently not, or not any longer. Merge as it does not make sense to keep a single post-classical category on its own. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canadian women designers
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Canadian women designers to Category:Canadian women artists
- Propose merging Category:Swedish women designers to Category:Swedish women artists
- Nominator's rationale: Merge per EGRS and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_December_3#Category:Women_designers Mason (talk) 23:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't the subcategories be nominated too? Shouldn't it be a dual merge? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- What are you suggesting that the subcategories need to be nominated for? All of them are in established "X by nationality" trees with dozens upon dozens of siblings for other countries, with no discernible reason why Canada should be uniquely excluded from established trees, so why would they need to be deleted? Bearcat (talk) 17:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- If the nominated category is a case of WP:OCEGRS then surely its subcategories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- If Category:Women fashion designers and its Category:Women fashion designers by nationality subcategory, with 76 countries represented in it, are not a problem, then Canada's category for that cannot be a special standalone problem if the rest of that tree isn't. If Category:Women architects and its Category:Women architects by nationality subcategory, with 72 countries represented in it, are not a problem, then Canada's category for that cannot be a special standalone problem if the rest of that tree isn't. And on and so forth. Bearcat (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I did not intend to nominate the subcategories, just this level per the discussion. Mason (talk) 02:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- If Category:Women fashion designers and its Category:Women fashion designers by nationality subcategory, with 76 countries represented in it, are not a problem, then Canada's category for that cannot be a special standalone problem if the rest of that tree isn't. If Category:Women architects and its Category:Women architects by nationality subcategory, with 72 countries represented in it, are not a problem, then Canada's category for that cannot be a special standalone problem if the rest of that tree isn't. And on and so forth. Bearcat (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- What are you suggesting that the subcategories need to be nominated for? All of them are in established "X by nationality" trees with dozens upon dozens of siblings for other countries, with no discernible reason why Canada should be uniquely excluded from established trees, so why would they need to be deleted? Bearcat (talk) 17:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I am sorry but I just don't get it. Why would we remove the women subcat here, but keep a women subcat both at a higher level and at a lower level in the tree? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Category:First-person shooter multiplayer online games
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This is a though one, but there are multiple reasons why this long-lasting category might not be as defining as everyone has once thought.
FPSMOGs are not a legitimate sub-genre of first-person shooters, while MMOFPSs considered one and Wikipedia has their own article on it. More importantly, most games in the FPS genre as whole will have online multiplayer, making it even more non-defining. This category isn't an entirely non-diffusing category and is also one of the only categories at the moment combing a genre and multiplayer online games.
This merge may make navigation harder, both the MOGs and FPS categories will contain 35-45 more articles, and that's okay. And besides not every single title that would fit into this category has been added here anyway.
For the subcategories we will instead replace the MMOFPSs category with category:Multiplayer online games and category:First-person shooters by series. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Multiplayer FPS do seem defining, see here. I think this category is just misnamed which is leading to the confusion. Category:Multiplayer online games needs to be Category:Online multiplayer games and Category:First-person shooter multiplayer online games needs to be Category:Online multiplayer first-person shooters. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Why Oppose? They are still not so very defining, why would a random IGN source over my several reasons would debunk that? So many games in the genre already have online multiplayer (but then I realized this category is mostly for multiplayer-only games in the genre). And besides there are some titles that would fit into this category that have been just left out and not added such as XDefiant. *:QuantumFoam66 (talk) 15:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)