Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fortress Blakeley
This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was speedy delete based on evidence that it was a recreation of a previously deleted article. --Michael Snow 21:09, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This article appears to be a hoax. Google brings up zero hits for "Fortress Blakely". Villa Tuscana in British Columbia does no better. The NASA projects that were supposedly based there don't seem to have existed. The ISBN number of one reference actually belongs to a wholely unrelated book. All in all, I see no reason to think that this place exists, despite this detailed history. I've left a note on the only editor's talk page asking for sources. Willmcw 07:22, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
- Also Blakeley Fortress and Hacienda Toscana. Also see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive14#The Fort Bleakeley vandal. Lupo 21:00, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The Fortress_Blakeley#World_War_II sections is especially droll. It's prefaced by, "Nothing much happened at this time." Then it goes on to say how 753 Jewish refugees from the Philippines were personally saved and housed by Howard Blakeley on his estate, who also had time to help on the construction of the atom bomb. That's not to mention the island's fortifications, including "3,000 soldiers ... under the command of the Blakeley family." One of history's most overlooked heroes or a detailed fantasy. -Willmcw 09:02, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
- If it's a hoax, it's very detailed; if it's real, it has few (i.e. no) in-links. Verify or delete --Simon Cursitor 07:41, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or BJAODN and delete: The really detailed, lavish, too-much-time-for-their-own-good hoax is an old sentimental favorite. Geogre 11:23, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I live in BC, and I'm sure this place doesn't exist. Scimitar 14:39, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as hoax. I'm an astronomer and I've never heard of those projects. And NASA wasn't founded until after WWII (1958), so how they fit in is beyond me. The referenced book at the end isn't on Amazon. - Etacar11 14:43, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete drini ☎ 15:14, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete clearly a hoax, but one point grabbed my attention: remains of a human-like species not homo sapiens in the New World? This would mean a serious rewrite of existing theories. PatGallacher 16:34, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
- Delete, I agree with previous claims this is a hoax. Mgm|(talk) 18:13, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete with extreme prejudice. This is a re-created hoax. I know we've had that crap already (including this quote from the "Diary of Juan de Leon"), and voted upon, and it got deleted as an unverifiable hoax. If I only could find the old VfD... :-( And may I also point out Blakeley Fortress, which is the same crap I remember in condensed form. Lupo 19:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Also Special:Undelete/Fort Blakeley... Lupo 20:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- In fact, speedy as recreation of previously VfD'ed article: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Fort Bleakeley. Lupo 20:52, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Stubborn being. I told you that this doesnt look real but what little I wrote is! Look at the other article! Kaschner 20:56, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- In fact, speedy as recreation of previously VfD'ed article: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Fort Bleakeley. Lupo 20:52, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Also Special:Undelete/Fort Blakeley... Lupo 20:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey, won't you even look at my source? Kaschner 20:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Most of this stuff looks fake, but I read about the place in a book called "The Future of the Past". I put in References. I'll recheck and rewrite if its ok with you guys. Kaschner 20:06, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Alrighty, then I'll put it here for you: ISBN 0-330-37534-2
- Hm. Amazon doesn't know this ISBN. You created Hacienda Toscana on April 28, 2005. Then nothing. And then you re-appear just when this VfD goes off? And add another reference with an ISBN that amazon.com doesn't know? The book exists (ISBN 0312420943 or ISBN 0374159777), but seems to be unrelated. Hm. Lupo 20:26, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey look I didn't write this, why don't you ask the guy who wrote this? And why do you say its unrelated? Kaschner 20:28, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeh thats the book. I guess the ISBN is different cause I got it in UK. Its about conservavation of antiques and their future and in this chapter he said about the castle and how its been forgotten and what the future of it might be. Kaschner 20:34, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- And here's the old VfD discussion. The article was named differently: Special:Undelete/Fort Bleakeley. Lupo 20:47, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeh thats the book. I guess the ISBN is different cause I got it in UK. Its about conservavation of antiques and their future and in this chapter he said about the castle and how its been forgotten and what the future of it might be. Kaschner 20:34, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey look I didn't write this, why don't you ask the guy who wrote this? And why do you say its unrelated? Kaschner 20:28, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Hm. Amazon doesn't know this ISBN. You created Hacienda Toscana on April 28, 2005. Then nothing. And then you re-appear just when this VfD goes off? And add another reference with an ISBN that amazon.com doesn't know? The book exists (ISBN 0312420943 or ISBN 0374159777), but seems to be unrelated. Hm. Lupo 20:26, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Wheres the article? Kaschner 20:49, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Alrighty, then I'll put it here for you: ISBN 0-330-37534-2
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